Comments on: A Fun Discussion on Java http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/ My Experiences with Software Development Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:58:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: brennan http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-10138 brennan Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:45:23 +0000 http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-10138 One of the best ways I have learned this past year has been from dnrTV.com and LearnVisualStudio.NET. Those are screencasts related to .NET. It would be very helpful if Sun and the NetBeans team would produce similar videos showing how things are supposed to be built with NetBeans. It is a great compliment to books, articles and blogs I read. With all of those resources it does not take long to pick up the necessary skills. One of the best ways I have learned this past year has been from dnrTV.com and LearnVisualStudio.NET. Those are screencasts related to .NET. It would be very helpful if Sun and the NetBeans team would produce similar videos showing how things are supposed to be built with NetBeans. It is a great compliment to books, articles and blogs I read. With all of those resources it does not take long to pick up the necessary skills.

]]> By: about jsf http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-9973 about jsf Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:12:55 +0000 http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-9973 i'm about to learn jsf/facelets but i have to say so far it look like a giant turdball. it's as if the maven team collaborated with sun to make jsf exactly as un-intuitive and user-hostile as possible. if anyone from the jsf team happens to be reading this... fu all. i'm about to learn jsf/facelets but i have to say so far it look like a giant turdball. it's as if the maven team collaborated with sun to make jsf exactly as un-intuitive and user-hostile as possible. if anyone from the jsf team happens to be reading this... fu all.

]]> By: brennan http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-9876 brennan Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:12:51 +0000 http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-9876 When JSF started to make inroads into being adopted about 16 months back I read up on JSF and attempted to build a web application using it. This was JSF 1.0 with very new implementations. Since I could not leverage what I had already done with JSP, Servlets and Tag Libraries, at least not directly, I found I had much work ahead of me to get up to speed. So I understand what you mean that nobody wants to use JSF. I only wanted to support what Sun and the JCP was pushing as the preferred web framework for the platform so that on future client projects I would be prepared. I believe that when many Java developers were presented with learning JSF, they felt that it was better to stick with what they had (Struts, Tapestry) or move to Ruby on Rails which offered more features with a much shorter learning curve. I watched as David Geary (a primary Struts, Shale and JSF contributor) was drawn to RoR on his blog and directly in talks he had for No Fluff, Just Stuff. That said a lot to me. Part of a successful platform is winning over the developers so they follow the vision. And clearly JSF is one vision which has not been accepted. Now if I were still doing a lot of Java web projects, I would have to know Struts, Tapestry and Shale at least to handle the real world applications which are out there. When JSF started to make inroads into being adopted about 16 months back I read up on JSF and attempted to build a web application using it. This was JSF 1.0 with very new implementations. Since I could not leverage what I had already done with JSP, Servlets and Tag Libraries, at least not directly, I found I had much work ahead of me to get up to speed. So I understand what you mean that nobody wants to use JSF. I only wanted to support what Sun and the JCP was pushing as the preferred web framework for the platform so that on future client projects I would be prepared. I believe that when many Java developers were presented with learning JSF, they felt that it was better to stick with what they had (Struts, Tapestry) or move to Ruby on Rails which offered more features with a much shorter learning curve. I watched as David Geary (a primary Struts, Shale and JSF contributor) was drawn to RoR on his blog and directly in talks he had for No Fluff, Just Stuff. That said a lot to me. Part of a successful platform is winning over the developers so they follow the vision. And clearly JSF is one vision which has not been accepted. Now if I were still doing a lot of Java web projects, I would have to know Struts, Tapestry and Shale at least to handle the real world applications which are out there.

]]> By: anonymous http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-9856 anonymous Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:42:10 +0000 http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/2006/10/27/a-fun-discussion-on-java/#comment-9856 apples to oranges... have you had a thought, that no one wants to use jsf? apples to oranges...

have you had a thought, that no one wants to use jsf?

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